![]() ![]() The $ limit and tube as well as tube type futher limit your choices. Maybe something forgotten about that was never played by EC, Page, etc. So any suggestions on a Marshall (or similar) small Combo amp that I could find used, that is not that popular so that it is priced in my budget, but still kick ass would be ideal.Īny amps you guys can think of that fit the bill and are not heavily desired. So far I'm not finding a new one to fit the bill, so I think a used amp would be best.Ī lot of the used amps are very desirable and tend to cost as much or more then the new ones! So here's what I think that I really need and what I believe would give me the sound I'm looking for:Ī Low Watt Tube Amp running E元4 Power Tube that will give me the crunch of a JCM 800 50 watt Combo at low volumes that I can use to practice in the house under $300 ($350 max). I was originally thinking of the VOX AC4C1-12 with EL84 Power Tube, but not sure that I can get the sound I'm looking for out of that amp. But if not, I can always put it through the PA if needed. If it can also be used for small clubs/bars that would be great. The original purpose for this amp was mainly as a home practice amp so that I can crank it up without having the wife down my back complaining that its too loud. I think I'm getting off track here in what I really need. ![]() Just remember that db is a logarithmic scale so a change of less than 3db will be barely noticeable, a change of 6db will be very noticeable (typically being perceived as half as loud again) and a change of 10db will usually be perceived as being twice as loud. It's interesting to play around changing the wattage while leaving everything else the same and then compare that with the effect of leaving the wattage the same but changing the speaker efficiency. There is a great resource here where you can input the speaker efficiency and amp power along with a few other variables and it will calculate the sound pressure level. For info most guitar speakers will be in the 90 - 100db range. I was just using the Celestion blue as an example of an efficient speaker, there are many others at a much lower price, a lot of the Eminence speakers are high efficiency. I get a bit wound up when people start saying "you need x amount of watts to be loud enough" when there is far more to it than that (rant over!). Yes, sorry went a bit off topic and probably not being helpful to the OP. I think he should go with a Blues Junior used. ![]() Thank you for all of these explanations! You have made this idiot smarter which is not easy to do! all of my 20 amp have different speakers (I think) so your last postulate above is hard for me to prove without a ton of wrenching. What are the more efficient ones out there so an array may be tried? But I also know they are not a magic bullet in all amps. I now want to try some super efficient speakers. You out-scienced us with your VERY EXCELLENT TRUTH above. I guess as an upgrade to a $350 amp he buys. The next question is how do they SOUND in every amp. Wonderful! Send me all the specs for the currently available amps and how many db they will stomp out with what they have? Or preface any amp choice with a Celestion Blue ? Nobody DOES that! So a 5 watt amp with an efficient speaker can easily be as loud as a 50 watt amp with an inefficient speaker! As for the difference between a 12 watt amp and a 15 or 20 watt amp if they all had the same speaker I doubt if most people would hear any difference in volume level, there would be less than 3db difference between the 12 and 20 watt amps. There is very little noticeable difference in volume between the 5 watt amp and the 12 watt amp.Īs a guideline and assuming the same speaker configuration if you want an amp that sounds twice as loud as 5 watt amp you would need to go to a 50 watt amp, however if you have a 5 watt amp with a 90db speaker and change the speaker to a 100db it will then be twice as loud. I can only speak of my own personal experience on this but I have played many small venue gigs with a 5 watt amp fitted with a 100db Celestion Blue speaker and I regularly gig with a 12 watt tweed Deluxe style amp also fitted with a Celestion Blue and have never had a problem being loud enough, in fact I'm often being asked to turn down as I am too loud! This is playing with a blues / rock style band with a none too gentle drummer (is there any other sort of drummer! ?). ![]()
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